{"id":24990,"date":"2025-04-06T15:44:11","date_gmt":"2025-04-06T13:44:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/fondazionebarbavarley.org\/online-conversations\/"},"modified":"2025-09-09T21:37:01","modified_gmt":"2025-09-09T19:37:01","slug":"online-conversations","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/fondazionebarbavarley.org\/en\/online-conversations\/","title":{"rendered":"Online conversations"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-page\" data-elementor-id=\"24990\" class=\"elementor elementor-24990 elementor-21916\" data-elementor-post-type=\"page\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-2843dc1 elementor-section-full_width elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"2843dc1\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-no\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-3c48b6fc\" data-id=\"3c48b6fc\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-70d861e9 elementor-widget__width-inherit elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"70d861e9\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1600\" height=\"468\" src=\"https:\/\/fondazionebarbavarley.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/conversazioni-online.jpg\" class=\"attachment-full size-full wp-image-24541\" alt=\"Conversazioni online\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fondazionebarbavarley.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/conversazioni-online.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/fondazionebarbavarley.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/conversazioni-online-300x88.jpg 300w, https:\/\/fondazionebarbavarley.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/conversazioni-online-1024x300.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/fondazionebarbavarley.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/conversazioni-online-768x225.jpg 768w, https:\/\/fondazionebarbavarley.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/conversazioni-online-1536x449.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/fondazionebarbavarley.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/conversazioni-online-1568x459.jpg 1568w, https:\/\/fondazionebarbavarley.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/conversazioni-online-1320x386.jpg 1320w, https:\/\/fondazionebarbavarley.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/conversazioni-online-600x176.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-780e415b elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"780e415b\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-5f751cd0\" data-id=\"5f751cd0\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-1f9b3316 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"1f9b3316\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h1 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Online conversations - The nameless<\/h1>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-7a0662a elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"7a0662a\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<blockquote><p><span style=\"color: #e99a23;\"><strong><em>\u201cIt is a much harder task to honour the memory of nameless people than of celebrities. The historical construction is consecrated to the memory of those who have no name.\u201d<\/em><\/strong><\/span><\/p><p style=\"text-align: right;\"><span style=\"color: #e99a23;\"><strong><em>[Walter Benjamin]<\/em><\/strong><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-6bdd7c29 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"6bdd7c29\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-4828a0e8\" data-id=\"4828a0e8\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-4ba696c6 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"4ba696c6\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><em>Presentation by <strong>Nicola Savarese<\/strong><\/em><\/p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Port-Bou is the small Spanish town on the border with France where the German philosopher <strong>Walter Benjamin<\/strong>, hunted by the Gestapo, fled from France invaded by the Nazis.<\/p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">On the night between the 25th and 26th of September 1940, fearing that he would not be able to embark for the United States and join his already exiled friends, <strong>Benjamin<\/strong> committed suicide at the age of forty-eight by taking a massive dose of morphine.<\/p><p style=\"text-align: justify;\">As a Jew and a suicide, <strong>Benjamin<\/strong> is not buried in the beautiful cemetery of Port-Bou overlooking the waves. But about fifty metres away we find a strange downward slope to the sea, a tunnel supported by iron slabs corroded by rust and salt with steps, also in iron, which go down to the blue water. It is a monument by the Israeli sculptor <strong>Dani Keverian<\/strong> dedicated to the German philosopher, recalling one of the Parisian passages celebrated by <strong>Benjamin<\/strong>, rather than a descent into the abyss.  <\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-4d6b1216\" data-id=\"4d6b1216\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-696d2709 elementor-widget elementor-widget-image\" data-id=\"696d2709\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"image.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"520\" src=\"https:\/\/fondazionebarbavarley.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/i-senza-nome.jpg\" class=\"attachment-full size-full wp-image-24543\" alt=\"i senza nome\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fondazionebarbavarley.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/i-senza-nome.jpg 600w, https:\/\/fondazionebarbavarley.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/i-senza-nome-300x260.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-4b7d759c elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"4b7d759c\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-17e2e986\" data-id=\"17e2e986\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-47b5595b elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"47b5595b\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>When we go down the staircase we suddenly face our own image reflected on a glass plate, which allows to see the sea, on which, in German, Spanish, French and English, the following inscription is engraved in capital letters:<\/p><p>\u201cIt is a much harder task to honour the memory of nameless people than of celebrities. The historical construction is consecrated to the memory of those who have no name.\u201d <strong>[Walter Benjamin]<\/strong><\/p><p>Recalled this story by <strong>Eugenio Barba<\/strong> in the Italian journal \u201cTeatro e Storia\u201d, to honour the memory of one of its founders, <strong>Fabrizio Cruciani<\/strong>, who died in 1992 and who Barba recognised as a historian who took upon himself the difficult task of remembering the thousands of anonymous artists who have contributed and contribute to theatre history.<\/p><p>The Conversations are conducted by <strong>Julia Varley<\/strong> and <strong>Claudio La Camera<\/strong>. Translations in Italian, English and Spanish. Participation is free and limited. Information and registration: <strong>fondazionebarbavarley @ gmail.com<\/strong>  <\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-1184ef78 elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"1184ef78\" data-element_type=\"section\" data-e-type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-37284d57\" data-id=\"37284d57\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-8debd90 elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"8debd90\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">The submerged part of the iceberg<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-490fe360 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"490fe360\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\u201cToday there is not one theatre, there are theatres: dissimilar in terms of techniques, purposes and spectators. They appear as an indistinct mass that appears to be drifting \u2013 an immense <em>iceberg<\/em>. \n\nThe upper part of the theatre<em> iceberg<\/em> is known and its actors, on the top, are visible and present in newspapers, on social networks, on televisions and in history books. The submerged part of the <em>iceberg<\/em> \u2013 the most conspicuous part of its material reality \u2013 is made up of unnamed theatres. \n\nThey represent the majority of the performances that take place on the planet. They are precarious refuges of hope and attempts at beauty, temporary dens of obstinacy, rejection and anger: germs of change.\u201d  <strong>[Eugenio Barba]<\/strong>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-50 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-1ba8bc74\" data-id=\"1ba8bc74\" data-element_type=\"column\" data-e-type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-77df6ba elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"77df6ba\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">Brecht was thinking of the \"nameless\"<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-887e459 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"887e459\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<strong>Brecht writes: &#8220;<\/strong><em>Thebes of the seven gates, who built it? The names of kings are in the books. Did the kings drag those blocks of stone?\u201d   <\/em>Behind the names of kings, <strong>Brecht<\/strong> was thinking of the <strong>\u201csenza nome\u201d<\/strong> who had obeyed orders\u201d. <strong>[Franco Ruffini]<\/strong>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-f42f4be elementor-widget elementor-widget-heading\" data-id=\"f42f4be\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"heading.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<h2 class=\"elementor-heading-title elementor-size-default\">An army of nameless<\/h2>\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-cc0a0e6 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"cc0a0e6\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-e-type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\u201cMany anonymous women work with theatre in situations of social marginalisation, turning theatre into politics by other means. 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